Furthermore, the Grant will soon be introduced into the game; I already mentioned earlier it was crewed by six men, because there was no radio operator, and as such its crew should be made of tank commander, driver, gunner and loader for each gun, exactly like the Lee's should be. Published at 600 × 334 px. My suggestion is then to replace the radio operator with a second loader; I do know WG and historical accuracy don't get along very well, but this is not a serious game-breaking change - well, the Lee's crew loadout wouldn't match that of the T1 anymore, but anyway, moving a crew from a Medium to a Heavy is an unlikely choice. The names were dependent on the turret configuration of the tanks and the crew size. Home Vehicle list Top Medium Tank M3 Lee. Contents[show] Description In early 1941 an entry of the United States of America in the war became more and more possible. It is fast and agile tank (For its size and class at least) with a solid default cannon. Although the M3 had substantial firepower and good armor the off-road performance of the tank was poor, projected mounting of the main gun exposed the hull of the tank making it a bit unsafe, the armor was riveted and not welded and it was over 10 feet tall, making it an easy to hit target. M3 Lee. The British ordered 1,250 of these modified M3 medium tanks. The vehicle was named after the Confederate General of the U.S. Civil War, R. Lee. M3 was created in 1940 on the basis of the M2 tank, and saw mass production from June 1941 through December 1942. The Brownings were fixed in traverse but their elevations could be adjusted.  It could run as fast as 26 miles per hour on road and 16 miles per hour off-road. M3 Lee sheet from the official website. The M3 first saw action in North Africa on British service in 1942. Rabbit Team finding the M3. M3 Lee was a medium tank built by the US and used in WWII by the USA, Australia, Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and the Soviet Union. The gun was mounted on the side in a sponson due to U.S. tank manufacturers having production issues with proper turret-mounted configuration for the gun. Kind of interesting, I looked up the reference book I have (and it's a US publication).  It gives the number of crew as 6, with two loaders and no radio operator.Â. The M3 Lee is a Tier IV American Medium Tank. M3 Rabbit. Lee while those having British turret arrangements and a 6-man crew were called “Grant” after Union General Ulysses. The M3 Lee is an American tier 4 medium tank. A British M3 Lee in Mandalay, Burma, (Myanmar), during the 1944-1945 part of the Burma Campaign, March 1945. Also, widely recognized under its U.K. designation, M3 Grant, named after the General of the federal troops U. The commander sat in the back right side of the turret directly behind the gunner. Commanders position: The Boss, the Man in Charge, the Big Cheese. But the Lee's top gun is the M3. M3 Lee from the rear. On 18 June 2018, the tank was recovered by specialists of the Russian Northern Fleet's search and rescue unit from the Ballot cargo vessel that had sunk near Kildin Island in the Barents Sea in the beginning of 1943 during the Second World War. M3 stalked by Saunders. Tanks employing US pattern turrets were called the "Lee", named after Confederate General Robert E. Lee.Variants using British pattern turrets were known as "Grant", named after U.S. General Ulysses S. Grant. This topic is categorised under: Vehicles » Tanks » M3 General Lee Anyway, that's what I came up with - the Lee originally had a crew of 7 men, tank commander, driver, radio operator, gunner and loader for each gun; the Grant, which was modified according to British requests, had the radio placed in the turret rather than in the hull, so a designated radio operator was not needed. M3 Stuart specifications: Dimensions: 4.33 m x 2.23 m x 2.35 m 14ft 2in x 7ft 4in x 7ft 9in: Total weight, battle ready: 14.7 tons: Crew: 4: Propulsion: Continental 7 cylinder petrol Its top turret has no function, and serves as a disadvantage, giving the tank a larger and more vulnerable profile. The 75mm gun had a periscope which was integrated with a telescope and mounted on the sponson.  It also had 3 or 4 Browning M19191A4 guns mounted in the hull. The idea was taken from the French Char B1 and the Mark I version of the Churchill Tank. This was later whittled down to six and ultimately five crewmembers when the radio operator's position was consolidated. The M3 Lee gives the player a substantial upgrade in firepower and armour compared to the M2 Medium and M2 Lightswith a combination of 37 mm and 75 mm cannon on the tank. This British M3 Grant Crew is setting up to spend the night in the desert, in egypt, in 1942. An M3 Lee on exercise at Ft. Knox . Spare … Murmansk, Russia. It originally had 7 with a radio operator, but was changed following the British example with the Grant. Above this was a smaller turret holding a 37mm gun while a cupola atop the turret held a machine gun. Add a photo to this gallery. Description. The difference, however, was that the M3’s gun could fire an armor-piercing projectile at a very high velocity as well as a large explosive. It possessed two main guns, a 75mm M3 gun, and another 37mm M5 gun. Now let’s go over each man of a Sherman crew and the things he was responsible for and what his job involved. It was designed in mind of defeating the tank. As it was, the US Army - and the free world for that matter - needed a tank that was somewhat capable, ready for full-scale production and available in quantity. Dünya Savaşı sırasında kullanılan bir tanktır.İngilizler bu tanka general Robert E. Lee ye itafen "General Lee" demiştir. This tank is considered the worst tank out of all tanks by player opinion. Medium Tank M3 Lee. By Bukvoed -CC BY 2.5 . The 1943 movie, “Sahara” starring Humphrey Bogart features an M3 Lee. American medium tank. Grant. Anime. M3 Lee crew with D Company, 2nd Bn, 13th Armored Regiment, 1st Armored Division at Souk el Arba Tunisia November 24, 1942 M3 Lee “Cossack” of ‘C’ Squadron, 150th Regiment RAC in Burma Tank M3 in Action at Gen Patton’s Desert Training Center 1942 The Lee's gun just can't cut it. The Medium Tank M3 was an American tank used during World War II.In Britain the tank was called by two names based on the turret configuration. The British fought with this tank in North Africa as early as 1941. Lee and had seven crew members. The newsfeed doesn't contain any items. It become a nasty surprise for the Axis Force who were unprepared for the 75mm gun that could engage their tanks beyond their effective range such as German Panzer III & IV and Italian M13/40 & M14/41. Afterwards, the Americans removed the radio operator from the Lee and its task were assigned to the driver, thus reducing the crew to 6. M3 Grant tank used by Field Marshal Montgomery in WW2 . Yesterday I was playing the Lee when I was shot by a T14; the shell penetrated the turret and, guess what?, killed my loader! Only Semoventi had a chance against it… Production began in June 1941, and ultimately reached a total of 6528 units. A WWII-era U.S. medium tank. Tanks employing US pattern turrets were called the “Lee”, named after Confederate general Robert E. Lee. May 30, 2015 - The crew of an M3 Lee tank pose with a Japanese flag captured in battle, Burma, 20 March 1945. During World War II, the M3 Lee was an early American medium tank. An M3 Lee equipped with its original dome. Originally designed as a stopgap model, The M3 Lee was quickly dispatched to the African theater due to an immediate need for a 75mm gun mounted on a mobile platform. Grant. The M3 was that tank. The M3 Lee was one of the first tanks created by the Federal Army to provide its troops with a effective armoured vehicle to counter other tanks of the world. Its early design had sported a 75mm sponson cannon built into its hull as well as a secondary 37mm cannon built into a turret on the top of the tank. The M3 Lee, officially Medium Tank, M3, was an American medium tank used during World War II.In Britain, the tank was called by two names based on the turret configuration and crew size. It was the early model but with an 75mm M3 gun, which was a longer derivative of the M2. The M3 Lee "late" was a later production model. Link to full-size photo: Captured M3 Lee and M4 Sherman tanks Site statistics: Photos of World War II: over 26800 aircraft: 63 models Its other users include the USA, Britain, Russia, and Australia. All walkarounds » (8 in total) Newsfeed. M3 still pink. I love this image! This tank was a spiritual successor to the slightly successful M2 Medium tank. Tanks having US turret arrangement and a crew of 7 members was called “Lee” after Confederate General Robert .E. M3 abandoned..... and down. M3 was created in 1940 on the basis of the M2 tank, and saw mass production from June 1941 through December 1942. Percy_Hobart, on Nov 17 2014 - 19:51, said: They have limitations like this for tanks, where the most extreme example of the tank layout applies to all versions.  The most common example of this is not being able to use a rammer when the tank has an option for an autoloader, even if you don't mount the autoloader.  In this case of the Lee, like you said, if the stock version requires a radioman, which historically it does, then all variants must have one. The modified M3 Lee also required one less crew member due to the radio now being in the turret for the commander rather than for a radio operator. The two guns mak… When the US entered the war, the M3 Lee was the first medium tank they brought. His job was to command the tank. So I set out to do a bit of background research; unluckily I don't have any book about American WWII tanks, so I had to rely on what I found on the net; any piece of information from more influential sources is obviously welcome. At the time of the production of the M3, the plans for the M4 Sherman had already been put in place but a gun with the Armaments of the proposed Sherman was needed until the Sherman could be built. 05th Sep, 2018. "But wait - I wondered - what the heck is the loader doing in the turret, playing cards with the 37mm gunner? The Lee isn't the worst tank in the game (not even close) - but simply saying "play like a TD" doesn't magically give it a good enough gun.   I think WG should have a cross section view available in the garage which shows the locations of crew, gun, radio, ammo, etc. Sep 14, 2016 - M3 The crew of an American M3 Lee medium tank pose with ammunition outside their vehicle. During a pre war training exercise this M3 Lee collapsed this bridge. I Storbritannien blev kampvognen kaldt "General Lee" efter den amerikanske borgerkrigs general Robert E. Lee, og den modificerede udgave, som blev bygget efter britiske specifikationer med et nyt tårn blev kaldt "General Grant" efter General Ulysses S. Grant.. M3 kampvognen blev bygget som en hasteopgave, hvor det … By Alleged Bukvoed-CC BY 2.5 . Also, widely recognized under its U.K. designation, M3 Grant, named after the General of the federal troops U. This tank was one of the first American tanks to be released with the American ground tree in Update 1.45 "Steel Generals". The original M3 order called for a crew of seven personnel. Besides, with a crew of seven, you either have a lot of retraining cost, or you have a lot of Fee XP'ing your way through the Lee, which means WG profits. It would be great for flanking tanks (dat DPM) but the Lee just isn't nimble enough to flank aggressively without getting killed. A towing cable and tools are stowed on the rear deck, and the filler covers for the four fuel tanks can be seen on each side of the engine air intake grille. This is my own opinion; I'm curious about what fellow tankers think about this issue. Now, sir - I beg your pardon, but would you please read the whole post, so to understand that actually I'm not asking where the loader is, but why there is only one in the turret and not one in the hull too, the latter replacing the radio operator? In October 1941, when the M4 Sherman medium design was standardized, the M3 Lee was reclassified ‘substitute standard’ and in April 1943 when M4s were in full service, the M3 Lee was declassified to ‘limited standard’, finally being declared obsolete in April 1944. Because of the urgency of the need, the design was filled with flaws. The Medium Tank M3 Lee is a rank II American medium tank with a battle rating of 2.7 (AB/RB/SB). Several M3 Lee tanks in addition were shipped to Australian at this time. That's referencing the crew layout in the later part of the war. The stock gun for the legendary Sherman is, frankly, terrifying here. (Picture from TM 9-750 Medium Tanks M3, M3A1, and M3A2.) The M3 General Lee-page contains all related products, articles, books, walkarounds and plastic scale modeling projects dedicated to this vehicle.. The latter being canceled due to the German Pz.Kpfw.IV's firepower. It was known by two names, “Lee” and “Grant”. It seems to draw influence to the B1 or A1E1 Independent, with its dual gun concept. Most tankers put a priority on "easy kills" and the M3 Lee is one of the tanks on the list. The M3 is equipped on American and British vehicles such as the M4 Sherman, the later models of the M3 Lee and Grants and the Churchill (scavenged from General Sherman tanks in the North African theatre). The tank weighed 27 tons, was 5.64m long, 2.72m wide and 3.12m high. it possesses a top gun similar to the AT M1A1 gun found on the T49 and even in a tier 6 match, you have the potential for kills. Souk el Arba, Tunisia. The adjustment was a sponson which is in form of a projection from the side of the tank to help stabilize the turret. Well aware that their existing M2 medium tank wouldn't be a match for current Axis armor development, the US Army decided to develop a completely new medium tank design - the M4 Sherman. In general, its performance was substandard although it was considered by a few proponents to be better than the Panzer IV which was the best German tank at that time. Â. Thanks! 23rd of November 1942. M3 Lee is an American medium tank. The M3 busting its engine by stucking in the mud. In comparison, the American version was named after Confederate General Robert .E. The M3 was an excellent choice for m ass supply and quick production – being based on the T5E2 prototype – making it a greatly desired solution when demand for more Medium Tanks arose and construction rates dropped. 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The asymmetric design of the tank is highlighted in this top view. The M3 saw a lot of action in Gazala with the British against the Afrika Korps. The vehicle was named after the Confederate General of the U.S. Civil War, R. Lee. More about the M3 General Lee tank. I do not understand why two of them are naked. MURMANSK, RUSSIA - SEPTEMBER 5, 2018: Repairing a World War II-era American M3 Lee tank. It was successfully used in campaigns in North Africa. The M3 Lee is considered a "support tank" by most, if not all players. The first American main battle tank employed in combat in World War II was the M3. However, a small adjustment in the plan had to be made as the Americans had not designed a turret to carry a 75mm gun. M3 Orta Tank Amerikan Ordusu tarafından II. Daha sonra İngilizler tarafından yeni taretli modeline ise general Ulysses S. Grant ye itafen "General Grant" adı verilmiştir.. Çok kısa süre içerisinde dizayn edilmiş ve üretimine başlanmıştır. Please avoid any comments along the lines of "Lee is crap, you should free exp through it" or "Lee is an underrated tank, you need to learn how to use it", because that's not what I intend to discuss here. And who is loading the 75mm then?". M3 in its pink glory. A 37 mm cannon that could be mounted on the M3. A WWII-era U.S. medium tank. M3 tank crew in training at Fort Knox, June 1942 M3 Lee in North Africa, Nov. 1942 Crew abandons a disabled M3 Lee tank during maneuvers at Camp Polk, La., 12 Feb 43 Anyway, that's what I came up with - the Lee originally had a crew of 7 men, tank commander, driver, radio operator, gunner and loader for each gun; the Grant, which was modified according to British requests, had the radio placed in the turret rather than in the hull, so a designated radio operator was not needed. M3 Lee var en amerikansk kampvogn, som blev anvendt under 2. verdenskrig. The M3 was designed to meet a need of the US army for a medium tank armed with a 75mm gun. The M3 Lee's height can play to the tanker's advantage in certain scenarios, such as taking a "hull-down" position over tall stone walls (such as the walls on Forward Airfield surrounding the Church) and switching to the 37mm turret to plink away at enemy armor from relative safety. The distinctive feature of the M3 Lee was its unusual armament position. M3 Lee sheet from the official website. The M3 had over 4,000 variants in the US, Britain, and Australia. The crew is helping the local kids get across so they can get to school. So, if it will be this way for the Grant (and I assume it will), why not for the Lee too? As you can notice, this is far different from how the layout is reproduced in WoT; moreover, the only loader the Lee has at the moment is located in the most vulnerable part of the tank, the Fat Pimple, so he is quite exposed to enemy fire. 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