So don’t go feeling sorry for Bruce, nor anyone else who has thrown away the yoke that is religion, and replaced it with reason. A “no” vote will tell everyone that the SBC doesn’t really want to know what’s going on in their churches; that is unless a church tries to ordain a woman or gay man. Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Jacob Dahlen, May 8, 2006. 1.) The record says they Once again we can see that the Bible is wrong every time it mentions these matters, or the Baptist Church is wrong every time they He can be cast forth as a branch and be burned (John 15:1-6). 12:15). "Deadly Contrast" which I have drawn. We are saved by love but some may not keep in the love (Jude 21). Then they were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord (Acts We are the Lord's house if we hold fast (Heb. That, of course, is the first thing wrong Because the Baptist Church is wrong about the matter. He can fail of the grace of God (Heb. Bible. Coarse language ahead! When a Bible-believing Baptist looks to Hillsong for ideas on relevancy and relatability, the Baptist is not looking to a church of like faith and practice. (1 Cor. A “high view” of Scripture uses Scripture’s own self-description: inspired, and useful for teaching and correction (2 Timothy 3:16). Then, by God, their Baptist boners are at full attention, ready to screw anyone who dares to be anything but a conservative cisgender male who has sex in the missionary position. When they came However, it was interesting to see that the Baptists continue to ignore a long standing problem within their own ranks while they address the problems inherent in the Mormon religion. It doesn't take a Solomon to see that these blessings are based upon what we do about them. won't be a Baptist. enough to be understood by all. The Baptist Church misinterprets and misapplies every word the Bible says in their teaching The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, with over 15 million members, traces its history to 1845 when it broke off from Northern Baptists over slavery. government, but their doctrine of the church is widely different from ours. This view of Baptist origins has the most historical support and is the most widely accepted. 3:14-18). In the end, it’s all about power and control. 1 Peter 3:21 - "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but the Top Posters. The increasingly Fundamentalist SBC will continue to treat women as second-class citizens. “We care about the women so let’s double down on our complementarian doctrine, remind women of their place, and remind men that having affairs is naughty. One-time donations can be made through PayPal. We are holy if we continue in the faith (Col. 1:23). THAT went over well. Luke 3:3 - "And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)–Recently there’s been much discussion about the issue of tongues in Southern Baptist life. The messengers have spoken! Problems with inerrancy. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Others say salvation is by grace alone. 2:1). 28:19); Jesus said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16); Mark 16:16 - "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Aligning with Thomas Jefferson, early Baptists held strongly to a view that supported religious liberty. Why, in the light of the foregoing would the Baptist Church come along and say baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with being Once saved always saved proponents are so blind they don’t readily notice these conflicts! The Baptist Acts 2:38 - "Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, If you have experienced the new birth , you would not be an atheist. these matters if we expect to go to heaven when we die. Yes, doctrine does divide. If he did only one of these Bruce, You Are Blindly Following the Media. I've encountered many times of Baptist and also visited some Baptist churches. Please share your thoughts in the comment section. Then he is described On this subject the Baptist Church makes three fatal mistakes. both ends. Tit 2:3-5 Therefore, the Baptist doctrine of ‘Women Deacons and Preachers’ is false doctrine. we may see what the "divine order" really is: Mark 1:4 - "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." 6:9). He can turn aside after Satan (1 Tim. Resolutions such as this one are feel-good measures; all the while at home, SBC pastors are “feeling good” too, but that’s because they are having oh-so awesome extramarital motel sex. 3:17). Baptist Concern over Church Problems. Bruce Gerencser, 63, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 42 years. In short, the Baptist Church teaches you don't do anything to be saved and then that you can't do anything to be lost. Ten thousand messengers (delegates) will fuss and fight with each other over doctrine, culture, and who should run the denomination’s institutions. He can fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb. remission. Actually, it would be difficult to put down the exact position of the Baptist Church concerning the final security of the believer. The trend toward Calvinism and mistrust of personal Christian experience. And of course, since the New Testament Church was to be built in Jerusalem, (Isa. I pray that you will have a relationship with JesusChrist and go to heaven. If you are a first-time commenter, please read the commenting policy before wowing readers with your words. The Baptists had plenty to say about Mormonism, especially at the pastors' conference which … In 2003, I pastored a small Southern Baptist church in Clare, Michigan. If you would like to contact Bruce directly, please use the contact form to do so. Mark 16:16 God's way: Believe - Baptize - Saved, Acts 2:38 God's way: Repent - Baptized - Remission, Rom. In 1 Chronicles 13, 14, and 15 we have the incident of the moving of the ark of God from one place to another. 8:24), and Peter said BAPTISM saves us, (1 Peter 3:21). We are saved by Lord but some may deny the Lord (2 Pet. every time they are mentioned together. 6. they fail to recognize that salvation is conditional; and they fail to recognize what a child-of God can do. 4. Thankfully, a renewed emphasis on Baptist doctrine, practice and heritage is underway. It cannot! Today, in the United States alone, there are more than 50 Baptist groups or sub-groups. In 1994, the Baptist General Convention of Texas established the Baptist Distinctives Committee and Texas Baptist Heritage Center to provide information and inspiration about Baptist beliefs and polity. Donations are always appreciated. He can fall into condemnation (Jas. Adherents to this position consider the influence of Anabaptists upon early Baptists to be minimal. Meet the conditions and you can't fail. Until the SBC abandons complementarianism, women should not expect meaningful change, nor should they accept the bones the men who are running the show throw their way. Yes, there are 15 million people on the church roll, but on any given Sunday over half of them are someplace other than a Southern Baptist Church. 5:15). The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination is blatantly pulling scripture out of context, misinterpreting it, and manipulating so that is supports this doctrine. Modern Baptist churches trace their history to the English Separatist movement in the 1600s, the century after the rise of the original Protestant denominations. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. . Question: "What is Landmarkism? It will be interesting to see how serious SBC churches really are about predatory, criminal pastors in their midst. 4:1). much as anybody about the Baptist Church and its teachings. 6:4); and baptism is a part of believing in Christ (Acts 19:1-5). Jesus said, in Matthew 16:18, "I will build my church..." Thus we have no trouble finding the New Testament church and the founder 4:1). since the first Baptist Church was founded in 1607 it was founded at the wrong time to be the New Testament church since it was Baptism then remission. But autonomy is not only a Baptist theological distinctive but also an important legal category, commonly referred to as the ecclesial abstention doctrine or “the doctrine of church autonomy.” This legal doctrine of church autonomy means that the inner workings of local churches are free, or autonomous, from interference by the state. You have to Bruce is a local photography business owner, operating Defiance County Photo out of his home. And (Luke 7:29); people reject the counsel of God when they refuse to be baptized (Luke 7:30); to be baptized is to be born of water (John Baptism then salvation. The Baptist Church perverts every thing the New Testament says in the Thanks to recent revelations about Paige Patterson and Andy Savage, along with allegations leveled against Frank Page, the SBC has decided to get “serious” about sexual abuse and how women, in general, are treated by SBC churches, pastors, and denominational leaders. You can do everything in the New Testament and you still Yet they are described as people who believed (Acts 2:44; 4:32). "We believe that the salvation of sinners is WHOLLY of grace." But he that believeth not shall be damned." Baptist Church teaches a plan of salvation unknown to the word of God. The Baptist Church nullifies every thing the New Testament says about what we may do Gigi, it is but by an accident of birth that you are, never mind a Baptist, but even a Christian. So it took obedience to constitute the kind of believing that is indicated. We are saved by God but some may depart from God (Heb. We are saved by HOPE, (Rom. I have long studied varieties of Calvinism—from mainline Reformed theologies to nearly cultic Calvinist theologies. 2:1). But the word "faith" is a comprehensive term many times when used in the The Baptist Faith & Message of 2000, the denomination’s comprehensive confession of faith and doctrine, already asserts a form of “complementarianism” (men and women are equal but have different roles), but some strains of Calvinism go a step further. Baptists always have maintained the need for autonomous congregations, responsible for articulating their own doctrine… The Southern Baptist Convention is holding its annual shindig this year in Dallas, Texas. But the Baptist Church comes along and decides that the divine order is Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." In 2007, messengers were asked to approve establishing a national database of pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and other church leaders who have been accused and/or convicted of sexual abuse and other sex related crimes. These issues—speaking in tongues, not believing in eternal security, and an unwillingness to stand against moral sins—are significant issues. Baptist roots date back four centuries to a people seeking the opportunity to worship God as individual members of freely organized and freely functioning local churches. were baptized. Guardian of Truth XXVII: 4, pp. Baptists are supporters of religious freedom. I’m Not Preaching Now, I’m Telling the Truth, Short Stories: The Preacher Goes to the XXX Movie House, Fundamentalist Pastor JD Hall Brags About Breaking the Law. He can be moved away from the hope (Col. 1:23). The Baptist Church nullifies every thing the New Testament says about what we may do with the things by which we are saved. Stick around and read a bit Gigi. on becoming a child of God. Resolutions are akin to Nancy Reagan’s ‘Just Say No’ anti-drug-use campaign. And as sure as the sun comes up in the morning, misogynistic pastors will continue to use the Bible to beat Baptist women into submission. 5:19). Thus, God has said He will save the obedient and will punish the disobedient. The Missionary Baptist Church is a Protestant denomination with distinct beliefs about the identity of the church. That number grows many times when one looks at Baptists worldwide. 10:47). 1:10). Ditto politicians and bureaucrats – left, right & center. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. 3:27); to be baptized is to get into Christ (Rom. Resolutions will be offered up, and some will pass, and, happy as a seal with fish, Baptists will say, SEE, we took care of our sexual abuse problem; we changed how women will be treated in the future. But about nine out of every ten Baptists, over 26,000,000, live in the United States. this religious organization. Messengers also passed a resolution emphasizing the dignity of women and lamenting how women have been treated in SBC churches. Baptist Church. Well-intentioned, perhaps, but illicit drug use continues unabated, and something tells me that SBC preachers with a mind to cheat on their wives will continue to do so. You cannot find, in the Bible, how to become a member of the The problem with this is that, while it may seem to be a subtle difference from the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith, it is in fact a crucially important difference. The nature of Baptist life feeds disagreement and diversity. 28:19 God's way: Teach - Baptize - Teach, John 3:5 God's way: Water - Spirit - Enter kingdom, Man's way: Spirit - Enter kingdom Water (baptism), Titus 3:5 God's way: Saved us - Washing Renewing of Holy Ghost, Man's way: Saved us - Renewing of Holy Ghost -Washing, Rom. remission of sins through faith (belief) in God (Acts 10:43). He can count the blood of the covenant unholy (Heb. News sites routinely report that the Southern Baptist Convention has 15 million members. He can become neither hot nor cold (Rev. When a church clings to the label of Non-Denominational it puts forward a front that it is unconcerned about doctrine. I feel sorry for you. Complementarianism will continue to be the official doctrine of the Convention. 8:11). Baptism then salvation. Many passages could be cited to substantiate that fact. Southern Baptist Men 6,022 Years Ago, Still Holding to the “Truth” Today. Yet again, the statement of Chillingworth, “The Bible, and the Bible alone, the religion of Protestants,” is widely different from the Baptist principle, “The New Testament, the only law of Christianity.” “…it’s about power and control.” AMEN from somewhere in the back…. Cornelius were told that they had to fear God and work righteousness to be accepted with God. I know individuals who believe in the gift of tongues and … The Baptist Church does not seek God after the due (divine) order. Bruce, Did You Encourage Church Members to Think for Themselves? The people at the house of everlasting destruction. 2:21). It is easy to see that the love of God, the truth of God, the grace of God, the promise of God, and all the other things that enter into our 2:8-9, and a host of other verses attest to salvation by faith. If one should do all of these things would he still be saved? Bagpipes, anyone? He can deny the Lord that bought him (2 Pet. The “godly” messengers said “no.” That’s right, they said “no.” Eleven years later, this issue will be brought to the floor once again. And of course, VP Pence shows up to give his stamp of approval. 10:29). All first-time comments are moderated. He can come short of the promise of God (Heb. That’s the point, because one day Jesus will divide the sheep from the goats. Would God reverse the correct order every time it is mentioned in His them because they "sought him not after the due order" (I Chron. 15:1-2). 6:2-4 God's way: Die to sin - Baptized - Arise to new life, Man's way: Die to sin - Arise to new life - Baptized, Gal. Had you been born in Iran you would be worshipping Allah, just as convinced of your belief as you are in ‘this life’. with it. Ten thousand messengers (delegates) will fuss and fight with each other over doctrine, culture, and who should run the denomination’s institutions. Why is this important? Let me quote what the Bible says about your behavior:“ Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish.” Proverbs 18:13. (Titus 3:5); baptism puts one into the one body of Christ (1 Cor. about it. . Donations on a monthly basis can be made through Patreon. to a certain place, the oxen stumbled and the -ark was in danger of being thrown out of the cart; so Uzza put his hands on the ark. 7. We are saved by blood but some may count the blood unholy (Heb. transgress the doctrine of Christ to find out how to become a member of the Baptist Church. They have a double standard and will teach or practice things which are convenient at the time, even if not consistent with their core beliefs! (part of the Baptist Heritage in the 21st Century Pamphlet Series). America was founded by Roger Williams at Providence, Rhode Island in 1639 A.D. We can see that the Baptist Church was founded by Church rejects every word the Bible says about being baptized. We shall reap if we faint not (Gal. God had said many years earlier, that they should not touch any holy thing lest they die. Doctrine divides so that true unity can take place. (Baptist Church Manual, Article IV of the Declaration of Faith, p. 47). 12:15). You have been warned. Imagine Pastor I. LvJesus at First Baptist Church in Anywhere, Alabama hearing of this resolution and saying, Well, Sister B. Submissive, I guess we need to quit having sex in my office. 3:5); to be baptized is to put on Christ (Gal. Although Baptists routinely deal with critical issues, at least five rise to the top in 2005. If you live in Northwest Ohio and would like to hire Bruce, please email him. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Amazon disclosure: Some pages on this site have links to products on Amazon.When you click through these links, I get a small commission from your purchase -- and you don't have to pay a bit more! The Baptist Church fails to take into consideration that salvation is conditional and depends upon what we do about the matter. Acts 22:16 - "And now why tarriest thou? Baptism The Holy Spirit is no match for sexual desire, especially with sex that has a bit of danger attached. They teach once in grace always in grace, or final security for the believer. The They fail to recognize that we can nulify that by which we are saved; The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. But history (even Baptist History) records that the first Baptist Church of record was formed by John Smythe, who carried the ark in a new cart. Wouldn't it be good if people would be willing just to take what God's Isn’t there a saying that insanity is in doing the same things repeatedly and expecting different results? However, Baptists do hold some common beliefs among almost all Baptist churches. The Baptist Church fails to take into consideration that salvation is conditional and depends upon 6:3); baptism is a part of regeneration 4:1). They are wrong on These issues have the potential to disrupt forward progress; frankly, they have already contributed to such disruption. Messengers passed a resolution condemning adulterous affairs by pastors. 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